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Florence, John

Florence, John

Male 1856 - 1940  (84 years)

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  • Name Florence, John 
    Born 20 Feb 1856  Oyne Aberdeenshire Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Gender Male 
    Died 23 Feb 1940  Oyne Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Person ID I505  My Genealogy
    Last Modified 13 Mar 2003 

    Father Florence, George,   b. Abt Aug 1821, Rhynie Aberdeenshire Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 31 Dec 1911, Bog Glenfoudland Insch Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 90 years) 
    Mother Benzie, Helen,   b. 26 Nov 1819, Ryehill Oyne Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 7 Nov 1907, Bog Glenfoudland Insch Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 87 years) 
    Married 23 Jun 1848  Oyne Aberdeenshire Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Documents
    Census Oyne 1881 Florence
    Census Oyne 1881 Florence
    Census Oyne 1871 Florence
    Census Oyne 1871 Florence
    Census Insch 1891 Florence
    Census Insch 1891 Florence
    Census Insch 1901 Florence
    Census Insch 1901 Florence
    Census Rayne 1851 and Oyne 1861 Florence
    Census Rayne 1851 and Oyne 1861 Florence
    Family ID F171  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family Coutts, Margaret or Forbes,   b. 1 Oct 1865, Strachan Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 14 Mar 1940  (Age 74 years) 
    Married 15 Mar 1884  Croft Faddie Strachan Free Church Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Children 
     1. Florence, Margaret Forbes,   b. 7 Oct 1885, Gilcomston Brae Aberdeen Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 2 Mar 1972, Insch Aberdeenshire Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 86 years)
     2. Florence, John,   b. 17 Jul 1887, 3 Gilcomston Brae Aberdeen Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 24 Sep 1917, Died of wounds buried Belgium Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 30 years)
     3. Florence, George,   b. 21 Aug 1889, Loanhead Cott Rosemount Pl Aberdeen Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 1978  (Age 88 years)
     4. Florence, Helen,   b. 22 Jun 1891, Kilden Insch Find all individuals with events at this location
     5. Florence, Alexander Forbes,   b. 17 Jul 1893, Kilden Insch Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 10 May 1965, Old Meldrum Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 71 years)
     6. Florence, Jean Forbes,   b. 14 Jun 1895, Kilden Insch Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 26 Nov 1979  (Age 84 years)
     7. Florence, Elizabeth,   b. 17 Nov 1896, Kilden Insch Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 4 Nov 1918, Greenhall Insch(query Suicide ) Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 21 years)
     8. Florence, James Leslie,   b. 17 Oct 1898, Kilden Insch Find all individuals with events at this location
     9. Florence, Mary,   b. 9 Oct 1900, Kilden Insch Find all individuals with events at this location
     10. Florence, William Coutts,   b. 16 Jan 1903, Kilden Insch Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 16 Jan 1927  (Age 24 years)
     11. Florence, Christina,   b. (Twin) 15 Sep 1904, Kilden Insch Find all individuals with events at this location
     12. Florence, Patrick Mitchell,   b. (Twin) 15 Sep 1904,   d. 1975  (Age ~ 70 years)
     13. Florence, Adam Rhind,   b. 1907,   d. 1985, Lonmay Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 78 years)
    Photos
    John Florence and Family
    John Florence and Family
    Letter accompanying this photo from Jeff Gray to his sister Isabella:

    "Here is another photo from Thomas Florence of Glasgow It shows the family of John Florence brother to our grandmother Mary Florence at their croft at Bog Glenfoudland and has no date but might belong to the same sequence as the one from Jimmy Malcolm which was dated 1922 on the back with the name of the house or farm but not the couple in the picture

    There were 11 children (I think I had listed only 5 until Thomas sent me more details)
    Of interest is Maggie Forbes Florence Mrs Faskin in the front row and he has a query against her. I have a query also since Maggie was the eldest and she sure does not look like that on this photo

    On my list after Maggie is Elizabeth who drowned in the dam at Greenhall Insch in 1918
    She was found dead in the morning and I have no information nor do I recall ever being told anything

    Then John was killed in France also in 1917 and he is buried there. The commonwealth war graves commission gives lots of details of the battles around the burial places there but no exact details of the individuals

    I think there is maybe at least one error of identification on the photo as the dates do not seem to tally If Patrick Mitchell Florence in the front row is correctly dated born 1904, then Adam Rind Florence in the third row must be an error as his birth is given only 3 years later and he looks only a little lad by comparison

    Incidentally you will not fail to notice the name Patrick M Florence and guess who the doctor was at the birth

    I wonder what the occasion was? They are all dressed up. I think Minnie looks a sweetie and I have nothing more on her. There are lots of weddings in the family in the early twenties remember ?Lucy goes to the ball??"
    Documents
    Email from David Innes
    Email from David Innes
    Census Insch 1901 John Florence
    Census Insch 1901 John Florence
    Census Insch 1901 John Florence Page 2 + George Florence
    Census Insch 1901 John Florence Page 2 + George Florence
    Last Modified 3 Jul 2014 
    Family ID F718  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Photos
    Rin 505 JOHN_FLORENCE
    Rin 505 JOHN_FLORENCE

  • Notes 
    • John Florence was the fourth child of parents George Florence and Helen Benzie
      He was born at Oyne in 1856
      On the 1881 Census John Florence age 25 is working as a farm servant for Arthur Singer on his farm of 86 acres at New Macher Aberdeen
      In 1884 He married Margaret Coutts in the Strachan Free Church
      On the birth of their first child in 1885, daughter Margaret, at No 3 Gilcomston Brae Aberdeen His occupation is given as Bakers Van Driver
      There were more Florence children to follow "Maggie" as witness various Florence death notices retained by my mother which I was unable to identify at the beginning of this compilation
      Two wedding invitations sent to Miss Lucy Gray identify daughters Margaret and also Jean who marries James Alexander Barclay at Huntly in Feb 1921 followed by Maggie who married Alex Faskin in June 1921 An expensive year for John Florence and his wife
      At the time of these marriages John and his wife Margaret Coutts are living and farming at Bogs Glenfoudland by Huntly
      Jan 2003. Information supplied by David Ennis of Edinburgh gives a total of 6 children for this John Florence. Gaps in the sequence leads him to suggest there may be more
      A further list of Florence children has been supplied by Thomas Florence of Glasgow and I will attempt to integrate them making a total of 11children There is one more James b 1912 but since the name James is already taken and the first James appears to be alive and married I have to leave him out otherwise we would have a total of 12
      A number of discrepancies arise with clashes of birth dates
      Children two and three are too close. Elizabeth (number 2) is given as born at Kilden Insch but John (number3) reverts to Gilcomston Brae Aberdeen
      Christina and Patrick share the same birth year and appear to be twins

      The Insch 1901 Census gives John Florence as living at Kilden He is Age 45 born Oyne farmer on his own account and his wife Margaret is age 35 born Strichen The children are Margaret F Scholar age 15 born Aberdeen John age 13 George age 11 Hellen age 9 Alexander F age 7 Jane F age 5 Elizabeth age 4 James age 2 and Mary age 5 months That gives us 9 confirmed and three to come total is 12